Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Infocomm Clubs Programme

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. This discussion has had two relists and still there are comments about what can be done with this article. So, I'm closing this deletion discussion as No consensus and encourage interested editors to keep working to improve this article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:36, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

Infocomm Clubs Programme

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Non notable programme / activity in Singapore's education system. While the programme is available in the primary/secondary school levels, there is no SIGCOV or GNG for it. BEFORE been done with zero coverage in Singapore's newspaper archive, NewspaperSG. Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 07:39, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Internet, and Singapore. Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 07:39, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:43, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. Agree there is no SIGCOV for the programme. Found mentions in two books – Digital Review of Asia Pacific 2009-2010 and Singapore Perspectives 2007: A New Singapore – but they are just that, mentions. Also wondered if it was worth merging / incorporating content from this article into the page for Infocomm Media Development Authority, but that article also has problems, and looking at imda.gov.sg, it appears IMDA itself doesn't even discuss the Infocomm Clubs Programme much these days. (Understandably more novel and noteworthy when the initiative first launched, but by now it probably seems very standard.) Cielquiparle (talk) 05:28, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

• Keep. This programme encompasses all of the Infocomm clubs in Singapore. Although searching "IMDA Infocomm Clubs programme" and similar search terms on Google, Google scholar, and newspaper archives may not yield many results, the name of the programme is not in itself representative of the programme. As described by a cabinet minister here:

Beginning with students, we are looking at a Student Infocomm Outreach Programme that brings the excitement of infocomm technology right into the schools. The establishment of Infocomm Clubs in primary and secondary schools, as well as junior colleges (JC) will be a start. Infocomm Clubs will be part of the Ministry of Education's Co-Curricular Activities or CCA, so students can earn CCA points by participating in the Club's activities [...] In three years' time, we expect more than 150 schools to offer the Infocomm Club programme.

Here, the minister uses the terms "Student Infocomm Outreach Programme" alongside "Infocomm Club programme", which exists apart from the official "Infocomm Clubs Programme" name. Although the term "Infocomm Clubs Programme" specifically may not yield results on Google, the overall programme by the IMDA with regard to Infocomm clubs in school has yielded significant coverage: here, here, and here. The article Educational policy and implementation of computational thinking and programming: Case study of Singapore discusses the Infocomm club policy in some detail. Searching "Infocomm club" generally on Google or Google Scholar will yield similarly many results. Dawkin Verbier (talk) 07:25, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation and sources. I've struck my !Delete vote for now and will see if there is enough there to fix the article. (At least one of the sources looks lovely, but we probably need to draw the line somewhere – e.g., if an article doesn't explicitly identify with or call out "infocomm club", it may not be usable.) A further consideration is: Would the topic be better served as an article about "Infocomm club(s)" rather than about the overall programme? Cielquiparle (talk) 08:07, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:49, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.