The Official 2008/2009 NCAA Football Thread

A guy I work with is a big Boomer Sooner fan. Even he admits Texas gives them hell every year. I like OK because they are fun to watch. But Stoops gets on my nerves with the crap he says, like his arguing for a playoff system. He's laid back lately, but no argument in the world is going to change the computer rankings. Fact: The two teams played. Texas won. Doesn't matter a lick where TTech is in their head-to-head outcome. Plus don't forget: They beat the Sooners IN NORMAN.

So Tennessee has gone into PANIC MODE and signed Lane Kiffin What has he done to deserve THAT JOB? As a USC Expert I can honestly say I was happy to see Kiffin go. He was a terrible Offensive Coordinator. The Raiders wanted Steve Sarkisian and had to "settle" for Lane Kiffin. He wasn't even their first choice.

I don't see how Tennessee can afford to pay out Phil Fulmer PLUS hire Ed Orgeron as Recruiting Coordinator and DLine coach(the same job he had at Miami and USC) PLUS hire Monte Kiffin, Lane's dad, as Defensive Coordintator. Did Lane secure Papa Kiffin's services for a "family discount"?

I think Lane Kiffin will be fired after the 2009 season. This hiring has desperate grasp at relevancy/total misfire written all over it...:thefinger

Alright. Chris Peterson...Head Coach of Boise State.
He should wind up at either Washington or Clemson. I can't imagine either of those schools have better coaches lined up.

Boise State looks damn tough tonight. Kicking the shiz out of Fresno.

That was a great win for Boise 12-0 lets see what bowl game they get. Here is one for you guys Ole Miss beat Miss.St 45-0 do you think they will get the Cotton Bowl Bid if they do I think they will play Missouri or Texas Tech what do you guys think

Remember what the Broncs did in 2006? It's unlikely given the current standings that Boise State will get a "good" BCS bid even though they are ranked ninth. Utah is in better shape, and then there's Ball State with a perfect season. Somebody like Ohio State is a more likely possibility. Tech will beat Baylor and remain a one-loss team. Oklahoma will likely crush OK State. Florida will likely beat the Seminoles, who have way too many off field distractions. USC will win. Alabama SHOULD win. The cream of the Top 10 will get the big money bowls who will want to invite the prestige schools. And there aren't a lot of openings for non-BCS schools.

maildude said:

Fact: The two teams played. Texas won. Doesn't matter a lick where TTech is in their head-to-head outcome. Plus don't forget: They beat the Sooners IN NORMAN.

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Exactly!

I don't care if Oklahoma beats OK State by 40 points. If the Sooners jump the Longhorns in the polls after losing to them in Norman then the BCS is a total fuckin joke.

maildude said:

Remember what the Broncs did in 2006? It's unlikely given the current standings that Boise State will get a "good" BCS bid even though they are ranked ninth. Utah is in better shape, and then there's Ball State with a perfect season. Somebody like Ohio State is a more likely possibility. Tech will beat Baylor and remain a one-loss team. Oklahoma will likely crush OK State. Florida will likely beat the Seminoles, who have way too many off field distractions. USC will win. Alabama SHOULD win. The cream of the Top 10 will get the big money bowls who will want to invite the prestige schools. And there aren't a lot of openings for non-BCS schools.

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I like where you are going with that post and I agree with you the better teams should all win,but if they give Ohio State an at-large bid a really good team out of the three unbeaten teams will get a real screw job cause they did what they were suppose to do. But nine times out of ten OSU with get it go figure,but if they don't it will be great.:dunno:

The Kiffin hire at UT is = to the Mike Shula hire at Bama a few years ago... he won't do that well, but he will try to clean up the program and sheperd it through a tough time. BTW, his wife is smoking hot!

Looking forward to some great games today on Rivalry Weekend. Time for my Crimson Tide to break that annoying streak to AU and get ready for UF next week! RTR!

Twenty-eight seasons Fulmer coached in Knoxville. A couple of bad years and out he goes. Kiffin got axed by Davis in Oakland for not doing what he's told, now UofT wants him to lead the team. Fulmer has had only two losing seasons as head coach. Patience must really be thin there.

maildude said:

A guy I work with is a big Boomer Sooner fan. Even he admits Texas gives them hell every year. I like OK because they are fun to watch. But Stoops gets on my nerves with the crap he says, like his arguing for a playoff system. He's laid back lately, but no argument in the world is going to change the computer rankings. Fact: The two teams played. Texas won. Doesn't matter a lick where TTech is in their head-to-head outcome. Plus don't forget: They beat the Sooners IN NORMAN.

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I'm not a big fan of Bob Stoops. As a football coach, I am. But as just a person, I'm not. He's seems very defensive and argumentative and arrogant just about any time anybody talks to him. That's why, as much respect as I have for him as a football coach, I don't really have much of a problem with his team losing, whenever it does.

maildude said:

A guy I work with is a big Boomer Sooner fan. Even he admits Texas gives them hell every year. I like OK because they are fun to watch. But Stoops gets on my nerves with the crap he says, like his arguing for a playoff system. He's laid back lately, but no argument in the world is going to change the computer rankings. Fact: The two teams played. Texas won. Doesn't matter a lick where TTech is in their head-to-head outcome. Plus don't forget: They beat the Sooners IN NORMAN.

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??? Texas vs. Oklahoma in football is ALWAYS played in Dallas. At least until the two schools decide that it won't be. Watching ESPN's College Gameday I was reminded of something that I was TOTALLY forgetting - if Oklahoma State BEATS Oklahoma today (AND Texas Tech beats Baylor, which they are favored to do), then both Oklahoma AND Texas will be OUT of the Big XII championship game! Why? Because Oklahoma will have 2 conference losses, and with one loss each, Texas Tech will have the edge on Texas by virtue of the head-to-head result. Kirk Herbstreit feels that Texas' only real chance to reach the Big XII championship game is for Oklahoma to win today, but CLOSE, so that the pollsters don't end up giving the Sooners more "love" than they do to the Longhorns because the Sooners beat a better team in their last regular season game than the Longhorns did. So for all my talk about how I think the Texas Longhorns have the best football team in the Big XII South division this year, there's a VERY real possibility that they WILL NOT get to the Big XII championship game next Saturday. But consider this: IF Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma today AND Texas Tech beats Baylor and Texas Tech ends up going to the Big XII championship game next Saturday, isn't it still possible for Texas to reach the national championship game as the highest-ranked BCS team out of the Big XII? Or has that rule now been instituted that ONLY conference CHAMPIONS can play in the BCS national championship game? If so, it looks like Texas may be f*cked as far as playing in the national championship game in January UNLESS the Sooners win by only a few points today, and even then they might be out of luck. What do you think about THAT?

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??? Texas vs. Oklahoma in football is ALWAYS played in Dallas. At least until the two schools decide that it won't be. Watching ESPN's College Gameday I was reminded of something that I was TOTALLY forgetting - if Oklahoma State BEATS Oklahoma today (AND Texas Tech beats Baylor, which they are favored to do), then both Oklahoma AND Texas will be OUT of the Big XII championship game! Why? Because Oklahoma will have 2 conference losses, and with one loss each, Texas Tech will have the edge on Texas by virtue of the head-to-head result. Kirk Herbstreit feels that Texas' only real chance to reach the Big XII championship game is for Oklahoma to win today, but CLOSE, so that the pollsters don't end up giving the Sooners more "love" than they do to the Longhorns because the Sooners beat a better team in their last regular season game than the Longhorns did. So for all my talk about how I think the Texas Longhorns have the best football team in the Big XII South division this year, there's a VERY real possibility that they WILL NOT get to the Big XII championship game next Saturday. But consider this: IF Oklahoma State beats Oklahoma today AND Texas Tech beats Baylor and Texas Tech ends up going to the Big XII championship game next Saturday, isn't it still possible for Texas to reach the national championship game as the highest-ranked BCS team out of the Big XII? Or has that rule now been instituted that ONLY conference CHAMPIONS can play in the BCS national championship game? If so, it looks like Texas may be f*cked as far as playing in the national championship game in January UNLESS the Sooners win by only a few points today, and even then they might be out of luck. What do you think about THAT?

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It's too damned confusing. BTW...I'm jumping the gun. I thought that the following had already happened:
"Officials at both universities had indicated that soon the game may be rotated between each campus because they prefer a venue with more seats, which would mean more revenue — the Cotton Bowl seats about 92,000; the Darrell K. Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium seats 94,113 [10] and will soon be expanded further, and the Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium holds 82,112[11]. Additionally, the Cotton Bowl has no luxury suites, is cramped, has narrow seats and its plumbing can be faulty."
--Wiki

titsrock said:

Alright. Chris Peterson...Head Coach of Boise State.
He should wind up at either Washington or Clemson. I can't imagine either of those schools have better coaches lined up.

Boise State looks damn tough tonight. Kicking the shiz out of Fresno.

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The Huskies need a new head football coach, but as good as Boise State is, and has been for about a decade within the WAC, if I were in charge of the search for a new head football coach for Washington, I WOULD NOT go looking towards Boise, ID. Why not? Look at the last two head football coaches from Boise State, Dirk Koetter and Dan Hawkins, both of whom had a great deal of success at Boise State in their own right, and who both went on to coach in so-called "BCS" conferences after looking so impressive at Boise State. Dirk Koetter went to Arizona State and was there for about 5 seasons. While Arizona State was anywhere from decent to pretty good under Dirk Koetter, it was NOT even CLOSE to being the force in the Pac-10 that Boise State has been in the WAC for the last decade, or so, and the Sun Devils finally gave up on him and hired Dennis ("The Devil") Erickson before last season. Then look at Dan Hawkins at Colorado. Same kind of thing. Colorado's mostly been subpar to average-at-best while he's been there. My point? That coaching well at Boise State doesn't even come close to guaranteeing that the same coach will have the same kind of success coaching at a school in a "BCS" conference. Last I checked Chris Petersen feels comfortable staying at Boise State. I don't really care what happens to him, as long as the University of Washington doesn't go looking for him. Would he be a better head football coach than what the Huskies currently have? Well, the Dawgs are 0 - 11 so far this season and 11 - 36, overall, under the current head coach, so I'd say the answer to that question is probably, "Yes." Would he be the best long-term solution to the Huskies' current football woes? Based on what I saw out of Dirk Koetter at Arizona State and what I've been seeing out of Dan Hawkins at Colorado for the last couple of seasons, or so, to that question I'd have to say, "Probably not."

bodie54 said:

Exactly!

I don't care if Oklahoma beats OK State by 40 points. If the Sooners jump the Longhorns in the polls after losing to them in Norman then the BCS is a total fuckin joke.

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Desmond Howard on ESPN's College Gameday just made the point the even though Texas beat Oklahoma in the head-to-head matchup, Oklahoma's out-of-conference schedule was MUCH more impressive than Texas' was (the Sooners played TCU and Cincinnati out of conference, while the Longhorns played teams like Florida Atlantic, UTEP, and Rice). I'm not necessarily saying that Oklahoma's out-of-conference schedule should count more with the voters than Texas' head-to-head win over Oklahoma should, but I think Desmond Howard made a good point because with SOME people, at least, Oklahoma's out-of-conference schedule just might carry more weight than Oklahoma's loss to Texas does. If the Sooners defeat the Cowboys today, I guess we'll find out which of those two factors means more to voters, won't we?

titsrock said:

So Tennessee has gone into PANIC MODE and signed Lane Kiffin What has he done to deserve THAT JOB? As a USC Expert I can honestly say I was happy to see Kiffin go. He was a terrible Offensive Coordinator. The Raiders wanted Steve Sarkisian and had to "settle" for Lane Kiffin. He wasn't even their first choice.

I don't see how Tennessee can afford to pay out Phil Fulmer PLUS hire Ed Orgeron as Recruiting Coordinator and DLine coach(the same job he had at Miami and USC) PLUS hire Monte Kiffin, Lane's dad, as Defensive Coordintator. Did Lane secure Papa Kiffin's services for a "family discount"?

I think Lane Kiffin will be fired after the 2009 season. This hiring has desperate grasp at relevancy/total misfire written all over it...:thefinger

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There were some people who wanted Lane Kiffin to be hired as the new head football coach at Washington. I wasn't one of them. To be honest, I don't know whom I want as the next Washington Husky head football coach. I'm not necessarily expecting, or even hoping for national championships (don't laugh. In case you've forgotten or never knew it to begin with, the Washington Huskies went 12 - 0, outscored their opponents 461 - 101, crushed the Michigan Wolverines 34 - 14 in the Rose Bowl, and shared the national championship in football back in 1991) or even conference championships out of the next head football coach. I just want the team to play disciplined football, to at least LOOK organized on the field, to play tough defense, and to be competitive, several traits that have been missing from Husky football for the last 6 or 7 years (some might argue that those traits have been missing ever since Don James resigned just before the 1993 season). I'm crossing my fingers that the U-Dub administration does a good job finding the next head football coach. At this point that's all I can do.

Skyraider22 said:

That was a great win for Boise 12-0 lets see what bowl game they get. Here is one for you guys Ole Miss beat Miss.St 45-0 do you think they will get the Cotton Bowl Bid if they do I think they will play Missouri or Texas Tech what do you guys think

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I heard talk on this morning's "College Gameday" about how "cool" it would be for unbeaten Boise State to play currently unbeaten (they still have the MAC championship game to get through against {ahem} Buffalo) Ball State in a bowl game or for Boise State to play Utah in a bowl game (which seems unlikely since the talk is that Utah will get to play in a "BCS" bowl game while Boise State probably will not). Personally, I'd prefer that the top "non-BCS" conference teams play against some "BCS" conference teams in their respective bowl games, but it's not up to me (unfortunately).

maildude said:

Twenty-eight seasons Fulmer coached in Knoxville. A couple of bad years and out he goes. Kiffin got axed by Davis in Oakland for not doing what he's told, now UofT wants him to lead the team. Fulmer has had only two losing seasons as head coach. Patience must really be thin there.

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Plus he won a national championship back in 1998. But his influence appeared to be on the wane, there. Tennessee hasn't had a good team in several years. I'm not the least bit surprised that Phillip Fulmer has been shown the door in Knoxville, but I am surprised that the Vols hired Lane Kiffin. I don't really know all that much about Lane Kiffin, but I wouldn't be surprised, as another poster mentioned, if Lane Kiffin's time in Knoxville ends up being about as successful as Mike Shula's (or for that matter, Mike DuBose's) time in Tuscaloosa were. Fans in the SEC, in general, don't have much patience with their football teams. If you don't produce, and quickly, at traditional football powers in the SEC, you won't be around for very long.

LUVbigboobs said:

Desmond Howard on ESPN's College Gameday just made the point the even though Texas beat Oklahoma in the head-to-head matchup, Oklahoma's out-of-conference schedule was MUCH more impressive than Texas' was.

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Yeah I saw that. And Lee Corso followed right up taking the counterpoint. Good grist for Saturday morning quarterbacks perhaps, but Howard's position makes absolutely zero sense to me under these circumstances. Granted Texas should by all rights play a more demanding non-conference schedule, and strength of schedule should be factored when comparing teams that haven't played each other. But in this case they HAVE played each other, and Texas won. How anyone can argue that as not being definitive makes no sense to me. I mean, why play the game at all if Oklahoma's tougher non-conference schedule is going to render a Texas victory meaningless?

LUVbigboobs said:

The Huskies need a new head football coach, but as good as Boise State is, and has been for about a decade within the WAC, if I were in charge of the search for a new head football coach for Washington, I WOULD NOT go looking towards Boise, ID. Why not? Look at the last two head football coaches from Boise State, Dirk Koetter and Dan Hawkins, both of whom had a great deal of success at Boise State in their own right, and who both went on to coach in so-called "BCS" conferences after looking so impressive at Boise State. Dirk Koetter went to Arizona State and was there for about 5 seasons. While Arizona State was anywhere from decent to pretty good under Dirk Koetter, it was NOT even CLOSE to being the force in the Pac-10 that Boise State has been in the WAC for the last decade, or so, and the Sun Devils finally gave up on him and hired Dennis ("The Devil") Erickson before last season. Then look at Dan Hawkins at Colorado. Same kind of thing. Colorado's mostly been subpar to average-at-best while he's been there. My point? That coaching well at Boise State doesn't even come close to guaranteeing that the same coach will have the same kind of success coaching at a school in a "BCS" conference. Last I checked Chris Petersen feels comfortable staying at Boise State. I don't really care what happens to him, as long as the University of Washington doesn't go looking for him. Would he be a better head football coach than what the Huskies currently have? Well, the Dawgs are 0 - 11 so far this season and 11 - 36, overall, under the current head coach, so I'd say the answer to that question is probably, "Yes." Would he be the best long-term solution to the Huskies' current football woes? Based on what I saw out of Dirk Koetter at Arizona State and what I've been seeing out of Dan Hawkins at Colorado for the last couple of seasons, or so, to that question I'd have to say, "Probably not."

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You make a very good argument here. Dirk Koetter was a flop because--well--I don't know. The scum devils never had a "creative" offense under Koetter. He should've been able to recruit well at ASU--although Koetter had to battle USC and Cal (who rose up from obscurity to Pac10 prominence) during this timeperiod. The Scum Devils never had a defense under Koetter either. The broader point is that ASU made a panic hire for Dennis Erickson and he hasn't factored into anything. Pete Carroll has established a RECRUITING BEHEMOTH which all other Pac10 schools (Cal being the only exception, imo) haven't been able to overcome. All other Pac10 schools lose recruiting battles with SC now. They have a smaller pool of talent to fight over and they have to look in places for talent where they never had to look for before.

Dan Hawkins's situation is very problematic. I thought he would bring the "creativity" to Colorado and it's taken A LOT LONGER to "turn them" into a Boise State style team (with much better talent.) Since he lost to Nebraska yesterday, he might not survive there. CU fans have to start to be getting impatient. Next year's probably a "make or break" year for him and it's hard for a coach to do something during a year like that (Fulmer, Ty Willingham, Tommy Bowden couldn't do it...)

I guess my only response for UDub hiring Chris Peterson is that they have to atleast give it a shot. Who else is there? They could TRY to poach Jim Harbaugh from Stanford if they wanted to. USC poached Larry Smith from Arizona once and ASU poached Bruce Snyder from Cal once....but Pac10 poaching probably will never happen again.

I would rather try to go with Chris Peterson over some NFL coach/assistant. I think the NFL --to--college transistion is more dubious (Pete Caroll being the exception.)

Or, if UDub wants to stick with "traditional" UDub Football--big Defense/Smashmouth offense with a little option attack...than maybe hire Pat Hill of Fresno State(?) I don't think that's a realistic option....

LUVbigboobs said:

Desmond Howard on ESPN's College Gameday just made the point the even though Texas beat Oklahoma in the head-to-head matchup, Oklahoma's out-of-conference schedule was MUCH more impressive than Texas' was (the Sooners played TCU and Cincinnati out of conference, while the Longhorns played teams like Florida Atlantic, UTEP, and Rice). I'm not necessarily saying that Oklahoma's out-of-conference schedule should count more with the voters than Texas' head-to-head win over Oklahoma should, but I think Desmond Howard made a good point because with SOME people, at least, Oklahoma's out-of-conference schedule just might carry more weight than Oklahoma's loss to Texas does. If the Sooners defeat the Cowboys today, I guess we'll find out which of those two factors means more to voters, won't we?

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Out-of-Conference scheduling is basically a crapshoot though. MOST teams try to line up cupcakes for their out-of-conference. It just so happens that Cincy and TCU had big years this year. When Okie signed them up to play, Cincy Football was circling the drain and TCU probably had just watched Dennis Franchione bail out of there for Bama....

There should be some sort of incentive for teams to try to lineup decent OOC matchups but it is hard to use OOC strength to overcome a direct head-to-head loss.

Okie lost to Texas. There isn't much of a way for them to get by that fact unless Mizzou blows out Texas in the Big12 Conf Championship Game? Wouldn't that be the scenario that sends Okie to the BCS championship game? Mizzou wouldn't attain a top ranking to justify their inclusion even if they upset Texas. Texas Tech got destroyed badly by Okie. No one wants to see the Red Raiders in the BCS Champ Game....