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AbyssGames

Developer of "Shadows Of Ambition"
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Rework. Everytime this appears in a game on this forum it means: soon to be abandoned.

Hope it's the first one to prove it wrong, because this game is good.
The rework is already done. It was just to update the intro to match the current style and standard. There's nothing more to be said about this.
 

Pr0GamerJohnny

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idk what dev meant by DLC? why not just continue the story like normal? what's the purpose of "DLC"?
yeah the whole usage of 'dlc' in a subscription based game is odd, though he's not the first one to use that. DLC is normally seen as "bonus" content you purchase to add on to an existing game you purchased in full prior.
 

BangB420

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yeah the whole usage of 'dlc' in a subscription based game is odd, though he's not the first one to use that. DLC is normally seen as "bonus" content you purchase to add on to an existing game you purchased in full prior.
agree, it's confusing language and unnecessary imo. regardless the "bonus" content gonna be free for me so dev can do all the DLC they want :p
 

AbyssGames

Developer of "Shadows Of Ambition"
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yeah the whole usage of 'dlc' in a subscription based game is odd, though he's not the first one to use that. DLC is normally seen as "bonus" content you purchase to add on to an existing game you purchased in full prior.
From my understanding, we're continuing where we left of in Chapter 5, but from a different perspective (Anya). It's not Chapter 6 yet, more as a side-story. Considering there's going to be a decent amount of content in these, I guess he used the best term available to him. I wouldn't look into it that much tbh.
 

Badboll

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for fuck sake I was happy when I saw this got an update and then I see what the update was..
when are these devs gonna learn..progress the story or don't update until you do.
No one wants these small nothing updates that rework earlier content. Include those kinds of things with actual updates...
Do them on the side and trickle them in with content that progress your games. IT's not fucking hard to do.
Why do so many devs do this..I can't understand.
 

Badboll

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From my understanding, we're continuing where we left of in Chapter 5, but from a different perspective (Anya). It's not Chapter 6 yet, more as a side-story. Considering there's going to be a decent amount of content in these, I guess he used the best term available to him. I wouldn't look into it that much tbh.
Anything to not work on progressing the story. That's what it is and calling it anything else is just lying about it.
I'm fine with it if the dev says "I'm thinking about how to progress and have hit a bit of a wall so I am focusing on improving earlier content while I think about what to do." That's the only acceptable reason in my opinion.
You are making the same kind of game as this I just hope I can convince you that doing what this dev is doing right now isn't good. No one likes it. Same as when devs take their game and remake it from the start. So it sometimes takes years to get new content. If they don't abandon it on the way because they lost so much money because all their paying people left along the way. I have no issues with devs working on their game to make it overall better while still progressing their game at the same time. It's a choice they have to make. Ultimately they should want a finished product that they are happy with. I don't generally care if it takes a while to get an update to a game if it's good. Good things are usually worth waiting for and your game and this game I would say fit that category. Seeing an update like this though is disappointing. The DLC thing is also disappointing. Not sure what it will look like, but the mear word DLC puts a sour taste in my mouth. So I hope it's just a side story as you say.
Day1 dlcs is a horrible practice and well early access dlc is even worse.

Disappointed people are less likely to pay money or keep paying money. If that's not a concern this dev has fine, if it's not reflecting in his statistics that's great.
 

AbyssGames

Developer of "Shadows Of Ambition"
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Anything to not work on progressing the story. That's what it is and calling it anything else is just lying about it.
I'm fine with it if the dev says "I'm thinking about how to progress and have hit a bit of a wall so I am focusing on improving earlier content while I think about what to do." That's the only acceptable reason in my opinion.
You are making the same kind of game as this I just hope I can convince you that doing what this dev is doing right now isn't good. No one likes it. Same as when devs take their game and remake it from the start. So it sometimes takes years to get new content. If they don't abandon it on the way because they lost so much money because all their paying people left along the way. I have no issues with devs working on their game to make it overall better while still progressing their game at the same time. It's a choice they have to make. Ultimately they should want a finished product that they are happy with. I don't generally care if it takes a while to get an update to a game if it's good. Good things are usually worth waiting for and your game and this game I would say fit that category. Seeing an update like this though is disappointing. The DLC thing is also disappointing. Not sure what it will look like, but the mear word DLC puts a sour taste in my mouth. So I hope it's just a side story as you say.
Day1 dlcs is a horrible practice and well early access dlc is even worse.

Disappointed people are less likely to pay money or keep paying money. If that's not a concern this dev has fine, if it's not reflecting in his statistics that's great.
I can definitely understand your point of view on this. Before making my game, I used to be quite skeptical and I still am of a lot of developers. I've know Circle for a good while now and he has no intention on doing the things you just mentioned. The extra stories are just a way for him to close down Chapter 5 properly. There will be progression of the story and... things will happen, with both the MC and side-characters. So the characters will develop further and our blue balls will be gone.


On a side note: I am also going to rework some of my initial chapters to bring them up to the current standard, add some QOL features such as a replaying scenes, gallery, ect... to just pollish the game up before we get too far to go back. The initial impression needs to be strong and set the tone just right, which is why I can understand Circle doing it.
I'll be adding some new content along with this as well.

EDIT: You mentioned earlier that nobody wants the reworks and that would be true for most of the people that have played the game, but there's still new people discovering the game every single day, so making sure the initial impression is good, is important. Especially for the future if he ever releases it on platforms such as Steam.
 

idkmanerally

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On a side note: I am also going to rework some of my initial chapters to bring them up to the current standard, add some QOL features such as a replaying scenes, gallery, ect... to just pollish the game up before we get too far to go back. The initial impression needs to be strong and set the tone just right, which is why I can understand Circle doing it.
I'll be adding some new content along with this as well.
why don't you guys ever do this shit AFTER the teasing has paid off? why is it always RIGHT BEFORE we get to the good stuff?

i've been holding off on reviewing your game because i wanted to see if you'd be the first NTS game to actually pay off the teasing and now you're talking about reworks at the exact same spot in the narrative as all the other NTS devs

this is why i don't support these games on patreon anymore lol. i honestly just don't think these devs know how to do anything other than blueball, no one except vulgar reverie has shown the confidence to actually do sharing/NTS, its all just buildup and never a climax
 

ImmaculateDream

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why don't you guys ever do this shit AFTER the teasing has paid off? why is it always RIGHT BEFORE we get to the good stuff?

i've been holding off on reviewing your game because i wanted to see if you'd be the first NTS game to actually pay off the teasing and now you're talking about reworks at the exact same spot in the narrative as all the other NTS devs

this is why i don't support these games on patreon anymore lol. i honestly just don't think these devs know how to do anything other than blueball, no one except vulgar reverie has shown the confidence to actually do sharing/NTS, its all just buildup and never a climax
From what I understand two sex scenes are coming next, seems to be what has been said. Like two updates of pure sex scenes so I think the blue balls (which I felt a bit too after last update, despite enjoying it a lot) will be gone. Personally don't really care about NTS/NTR/whatever the hell, I just play good games I don't care about genres at all but I imagine there will be lots of that to come later. But for me if a scene is hot it's hot, and if the story makes sense to how they go there those two things is all I need, don't super care who's fucking who if it makes sense and it's hot. Variety is the spice of life after all.
 

idkmanerally

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From what I understand two sex scenes are coming next, seems to be what has been said. Like two updates of pure sex scenes so I think the blue balls (which I felt a bit too after last update, despite enjoying it a lot) will be gone. Personally don't really care about NTS/NTR/whatever the hell, I just play good games I don't care about genres at all but I imagine there will be lots of that to come later. But for me if a scene is hot it's hot, and if the story makes sense to how they go there those two things is all I need, don't super care who's fucking who if it makes sense and it's hot. Variety is the spice of life after all.
to be clear i also despise the NTS/NTR rule enforcement brigade. i just think it's frustrating these games' entire narrative hinges on a girlfriend batting her eyelashes and going "would you... like it... if i fucked another guy???" and the boyfriend gulps and says "yes" and then it never fucking happens lol

it's just frustrating for the games to establish a goal, build toward it, and then turn the game into a treadmill where you never get closer to the prize and always just walk endlessly toward it

i would be totally fine with a dev taking a month to rework old embarrassing content, just do it AFTER you've fulfilled some of the promises of your premise. otherwise it starts to feel like a patreon milking scam because... that's probably what it is!
 

666terror666

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I feel much anger in this thread. Useless anger.
What happened? The dev shows up, says he reworked a few things and drops the reworked version. Fine. Where's the crime here? I am happy to see a dev is active. Sure, when I saw the update I was hoping for extra content as well. But if I cant get any I am glad to see the development continues.

I am not sure if everyone here understands how the process of creating something like these games works. The technical part and the content both need to be worked at and you can only ignore one part for so long. Doing a rework so early on is a good sign in my opinion. The dev was unhappy with something and fixed it before the size of the project made the fix unmanagably large. This shows some level of foresight that should be seen as a positive trait. As a project grows, adjustments have to be made.Delaying them is a bad choice in the very most of instances. Don't blame the dev for taking care of it.
 

AbyssGames

Developer of "Shadows Of Ambition"
Game Developer
Jan 1, 2018
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why don't you guys ever do this shit AFTER the teasing has paid off? why is it always RIGHT BEFORE we get to the good stuff?

i've been holding off on reviewing your game because i wanted to see if you'd be the first NTS game to actually pay off the teasing and now you're talking about reworks at the exact same spot in the narrative as all the other NTS devs

this is why i don't support these games on patreon anymore lol. i honestly just don't think these devs know how to do anything other than blueball, no one except vulgar reverie has shown the confidence to actually do sharing/NTS, its all just buildup and never a climax
Well I'm still early in my development. I've started mid November and have released 4 updates since then, each being way bigger than the last. By doing so, I haven't had the time to implement features that people want.

I know you have your view on this and I probably won't be able to convince you, but this would take me only 2 weeks to get an update out + some new content and then I can purely focus on moving forward without having to look back all the time. It's a hard balance to strike, but please... give us the benefit of the doubt.
 

Artist271

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Well I'm still early in my development. I've started mid November and have released 4 updates since then, each being way bigger than the last. By doing so, I haven't had the time to implement features that people want.

I know you have your view on this and I probably won't be able to convince you, but this would take me only 2 weeks to get an update out + some new content and then I can purely focus on moving forward without having to look back all the time. It's a hard balance to strike, but please... give us the benefit of the doubt.
I give you the benefit of the doubt. I know you guys aren't like the blurring the walls developer.

Besides, it took no time for circle to get the rework out and it's already done.
 

Badboll

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EDIT: You mentioned earlier that nobody wants the reworks and that would be true for most of the people that have played the game, but there's still new people discovering the game every single day, so making sure the initial impression is good, is important. Especially for the future if he ever releases it on platforms such as Steam.
Yeah that's why I said it's fine to do it alongside the normal updates, not make it the only thing in an update.
That's the key point. The work might even get done at the same time it would have normally but the player don't feel cheated out of an update.
maybe chapter 6 took 1 week longer to release and chapter 7 took 1 week longer to release and chapter 8 released with the rework.
Or whatever the time table would have looked like. The "DLC" stuff would be included in whatever chapter they happen in and not be called DLC.
I wouldn't complain at the very least.
 

Illustrivity

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why don't you guys ever do this shit AFTER the teasing has paid off? why is it always RIGHT BEFORE we get to the good stuff?
It's just to keep people on the hook and keep them being patrons for longer. They try to dress it up in nice language and explain everything in a sensible manner, as basic PR...but there's no point to deluding ourselves into thinking the devs do this out of the kindness of their hearts or to help you wank or something. Every subsequent update that they can release where the tease is almost about to pay off means they can release another update afterwards that can get some extra people to subscribe in the hopes that "this is really it this time". Once you pop the cork there, a lot of people will be satisfied with whatever climax (as in culmination, but also as in...y'know) the game gives them and might not be as excited for new updates anymore.

Like Symbiotic said, there are new people discovering this game all the time, and to them (i.e. the developers), reworking the beginning of the game to try and appeal more to new players is more important than keeping old players, some of whom will keep falling to the sunken cost and/or already jumped ship due to the glacial pace of the action. New players can also double dip, since the next update is still quite a ways away. It all just circles back to keeping people on the hook; like a cartoon porn version of hard drugs. Some developers do it a little bit, and some stretch it out for waaay too long (sometimes years). I just hope MNG won't be the latter. The dev's got the tools, and I think he could easily just branch into "sequels" and new full games with new characters or POVs. The idea's already being sown with the DLCs coming anyway.
 
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