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@Lawgun well that ain’t true for Black Myth: Wukong, but to your credit thats only one single game that’s managed to break into the overseas market.
Even Nezha 2, the highest grossing animated movie of all time, is unknown outside of mainland China.
Even Nezha 2, the highest grossing animated movie of all time, is unknown outside of mainland China.
| @Runasius Well, we talk about a big scale industry rivalry here. The main point here is not that it's just one fully Chinese game which got popularized, because if there is one game then there also could be two, three and more with time. The thing is there is not much of interesting and crucial themes which Chinese are daring to make video games, cartoons or movies about. And despite typical western sentiment that it's all because of censorship I don't think so, to me Chinese lost somewhere on their rough historic path their national flavor, it's like the whole export of Chinese culture is about Monkey King and Three Kingdoms (and Japanese did much more for popularization of Three Kingdoms ironically). It's like Chinese are tend to copy themes, styles, and ideas without even thinking about what they copied due lack of personal interest or understanding. You could tell that Japanese copied many things too but they traditionally research the chosen theme they are interested in and then ADAPT it and change with a personal touch and add Japanese national flavor by default what makes the origin hardly recognizable. It's never happens with Chinese for some reason. Just look at Link Click for example, it tries too hard to be an anime instead of being donghua. I started watching it only because I wanted unique Chinese experience but I didn't find it there. Black Myth: Wukong has its own Chinese style (at last!) but in terms of game mechanics it's just another copy of Souls-Borne games sadly. |
| @Ahegyao Streaming ecchi is there as an option, but I doubt they'll have the massive back library that physical provides especially obscure ones. Physical won't die out. Of course it's an option however, that isn't where they made a majority of their profits. Merch and physical media is where they did. Now that market is becoming smaller, ecchi will, and I don't think it will jump back unless they start to significantly find other revenue elsewhere, which could happen however, that is hypotheticals. You need someone with actual money, willing to frankly invest into 18+ media, and a platform to legally obtain it and that is difficult sell. As for older anime, nah legal streaming sites are increasingly getting older content. Still got a long ways to go, and of course stuff will get lost in rights nonsense however, for most content it won't be affected. We are in a much better place than we used to be. Okay but that doesn't mean that everyone is on board with digital. Physical is going for incentives and collectors value which is a big thing in anime circles. Did I say everybody? Like the numbers are the numbers. It now makes 4x the amount physical does, in traditional Japan, and you have half of the industry made up by international money, a decent amount of which, I would expect is coming from streaming companies, who are pouring money into the industry. If you are in the anime industry, the goal is to capitalize on the new streaming market, and the money that is being thrown around right now. Maybe anime cools bit, however, unless the streaming market implodes (could happen - even then that would just lead to consolidation) anime is not going to see a massive decrease in funding because streaming companies need content. Anime is relatively cheap to make compared to other content alternatives. Now of course physical still matters, of course companies want physical media ;however, if you want to talk about the future, thinking that physical is going to recover to where it was in a decade ago forget even further back is just fantasy. Streaming/digital media is a future we aren't going back from. Most people don't care about ownership, like the incredibly vocally online do. I mean... frankly if I made a post, saying digital media is what matters unlike physical media, when I first joined MAL, people would laugh at me, and they would be right too. A lot has changed in the last half decade though. My point is how an anime coat of paint will stand the test of time whether it's live or syndicated. Yeah it's not anime though. If all we have left is v-tubers that means anime is dead. At the very least I will stop caring. |
BilboBaggins365Mar 8, 1:41 PM
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@Ahegyao
As for older anime, nah legal streaming sites are increasingly getting older content. Still got a long ways to go, and of course stuff will get lost in rights nonsense however, for most content it won't be affected. We are in a much better place than we used to be.
Now of course physical still matters, of course companies want physical media ;however, if you want to talk about the future, thinking that physical is going to recover to where it was in a decade ago forget even further back is just fantasy. Streaming/digital media is a future we aren't going back from. Most people don't care about ownership, like the incredibly vocally online do. I mean... frankly if I made a post, saying digital media is what matters unlike physical media, when I first joined MAL, people would laugh at me, and they would be right too. A lot has changed in the last half decade though.
Streaming ecchi is there as an option, but I doubt they'll have the massive back library that physical provides especially obscure ones. Physical won't die out.
Of course it's an option however, that isn't where they made a majority of their profits. Merch and physical media is where they did. Now that market is becoming smaller, ecchi will, and I don't think it will jump back unless they start to significantly find other revenue elsewhere, which could happen however, that is hypotheticals. You need someone with actual money, willing to frankly invest into 18+ media, and a platform to legally obtain it and that is difficult sell. As for older anime, nah legal streaming sites are increasingly getting older content. Still got a long ways to go, and of course stuff will get lost in rights nonsense however, for most content it won't be affected. We are in a much better place than we used to be.
Okay but that doesn't mean that everyone is on board with digital. Physical is going for incentives and collectors value which is a big thing in anime circles.
Did I say everybody? Like the numbers are the numbers. It now makes 4x the amount physical does, in traditional Japan, and you have half of the industry made up by international money, a decent amount of which, I would expect is coming from streaming companies, who are pouring money into the industry. If you are in the anime industry, the goal is to capitalize on the new streaming market, and the money that is being thrown around right now. Maybe anime cools bit, however, unless the streaming market implodes (could happen - even then that would just lead to consolidation) anime is not going to see a massive decrease in funding because streaming companies need content. Anime is relatively cheap to make compared to other content alternatives. Now of course physical still matters, of course companies want physical media ;however, if you want to talk about the future, thinking that physical is going to recover to where it was in a decade ago forget even further back is just fantasy. Streaming/digital media is a future we aren't going back from. Most people don't care about ownership, like the incredibly vocally online do. I mean... frankly if I made a post, saying digital media is what matters unlike physical media, when I first joined MAL, people would laugh at me, and they would be right too. A lot has changed in the last half decade though.
My point is how an anime coat of paint will stand the test of time whether it's live or syndicated.
Yeah it's not anime though. If all we have left is v-tubers that means anime is dead. At the very least I will stop caring. BilboBaggins365 said: Of course it's an option however, that isn't where they made a majority of their profits. Merch and physical media is where they did. Now that market is becoming smaller, ecchi will, and I don't think it will jump back unless they start to significantly find other revenue elsewhere, which could happen however, that is hypotheticals. You need someone with actual money, willing to frankly invest into 18+ media, and a platform to legally obtain it and that is difficult sell. As for older anime, nah legal streaming sites are increasingly getting older content. Still got a long ways to go, and of course stuff will get lost in rights nonsense however, for most content it won't be affected. We are in a much better place than we used to be. We're talking about a medium that still had laserdiscs all the way up until the 90's. Anime still has DVD's being made in current year. 18+ will always stick around like I said in several forms. For it to go away will require an entire people becoming prudes which is unrealistic. Maybe for stuff that you care about. Super retro junkies will still keep their physicals (and maybe back them up in HDD/SSD). The spectre of rights is a real threat. You think titles will ephemerally be in the usual platforms? Music labels beg to differ. BilboBaggins365 said: Did I say everybody? Like the numbers are the numbers. It now makes 4x the amount physical does, in traditional Japan, and you have half of the industry made up by international money, a decent amount of which, I would expect is coming from streaming companies, who are pouring money into the industry. If you are in the anime industry, the goal is to capitalize on the new streaming market, and the money that is being thrown around right now. Maybe anime cools bit, however, unless the streaming market implodes (could happen - even then that would just lead to consolidation) anime is not going to see a massive decrease in funding because streaming companies need content. Anime is relatively cheap to make compared to other content alternatives. Now of course physical still matters, of course companies want physical media ;however, if you want to talk about the future, thinking that physical is going to recover to where it was in a decade ago forget even further back is just fantasy. Streaming/digital media is a future we aren't going back from. Most people don't care about ownership, like the incredibly vocally online do. I mean... frankly if I made a post, saying digital media is what matters unlike physical media, when I first joined MAL, people would laugh at me, and they would be right too. A lot has changed in the last half decade though. Putting your eggs into one basket isn't exactly the best route for any industry. You maybe right with the data, but as long as the cons of digital (no real ownership, rights, universal availability, subscription bs, etc) exist and metastesize to unpalatable levels, gotta weigh in the options. Manga, for starters, have digital, but people at least in Japan still buy them in good old paper. Boxed video games remain the standard there too. Maybe on your side of the pond it's streaming city, but to say the whole world is a bit presumptuous. BilboBaggins365 said: Yeah it's not anime though. If all we have left is v-tubers that means anime is dead. At the very least I will stop caring. I mean, the top level pros even have their own OP and ED which are basic anime structures so yeah... We'll be getting into the gritty and messy world of semantics here. |
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BilboBaggins365 said:
Of course it's an option however, that isn't where they made a majority of their profits. Merch and physical media is where they did. Now that market is becoming smaller, ecchi will, and I don't think it will jump back unless they start to significantly find other revenue elsewhere, which could happen however, that is hypotheticals. You need someone with actual money, willing to frankly invest into 18+ media, and a platform to legally obtain it and that is difficult sell.
As for older anime, nah legal streaming sites are increasingly getting older content. Still got a long ways to go, and of course stuff will get lost in rights nonsense however, for most content it won't be affected. We are in a much better place than we used to be.
Of course it's an option however, that isn't where they made a majority of their profits. Merch and physical media is where they did. Now that market is becoming smaller, ecchi will, and I don't think it will jump back unless they start to significantly find other revenue elsewhere, which could happen however, that is hypotheticals. You need someone with actual money, willing to frankly invest into 18+ media, and a platform to legally obtain it and that is difficult sell.
As for older anime, nah legal streaming sites are increasingly getting older content. Still got a long ways to go, and of course stuff will get lost in rights nonsense however, for most content it won't be affected. We are in a much better place than we used to be.
We're talking about a medium that still had laserdiscs all the way up until the 90's. Anime still has DVD's being made in current year. 18+ will always stick around like I said in several forms. For it to go away will require an entire people becoming prudes which is unrealistic.
Maybe for stuff that you care about. Super retro junkies will still keep their physicals (and maybe back them up in HDD/SSD). The spectre of rights is a real threat. You think titles will ephemerally be in the usual platforms? Music labels beg to differ.
BilboBaggins365 said:
Did I say everybody? Like the numbers are the numbers. It now makes 4x the amount physical does, in traditional Japan, and you have half of the industry made up by international money, a decent amount of which, I would expect is coming from streaming companies, who are pouring money into the industry. If you are in the anime industry, the goal is to capitalize on the new streaming market, and the money that is being thrown around right now. Maybe anime cools bit, however, unless the streaming market implodes (could happen - even then that would just lead to consolidation) anime is not going to see a massive decrease in funding because streaming companies need content. Anime is relatively cheap to make compared to other content alternatives.
Now of course physical still matters, of course companies want physical media ;however, if you want to talk about the future, thinking that physical is going to recover to where it was in a decade ago forget even further back is just fantasy. Streaming/digital media is a future we aren't going back from. Most people don't care about ownership, like the incredibly vocally online do. I mean... frankly if I made a post, saying digital media is what matters unlike physical media, when I first joined MAL, people would laugh at me, and they would be right too. A lot has changed in the last half decade though.
Did I say everybody? Like the numbers are the numbers. It now makes 4x the amount physical does, in traditional Japan, and you have half of the industry made up by international money, a decent amount of which, I would expect is coming from streaming companies, who are pouring money into the industry. If you are in the anime industry, the goal is to capitalize on the new streaming market, and the money that is being thrown around right now. Maybe anime cools bit, however, unless the streaming market implodes (could happen - even then that would just lead to consolidation) anime is not going to see a massive decrease in funding because streaming companies need content. Anime is relatively cheap to make compared to other content alternatives.
Now of course physical still matters, of course companies want physical media ;however, if you want to talk about the future, thinking that physical is going to recover to where it was in a decade ago forget even further back is just fantasy. Streaming/digital media is a future we aren't going back from. Most people don't care about ownership, like the incredibly vocally online do. I mean... frankly if I made a post, saying digital media is what matters unlike physical media, when I first joined MAL, people would laugh at me, and they would be right too. A lot has changed in the last half decade though.
Putting your eggs into one basket isn't exactly the best route for any industry. You maybe right with the data, but as long as the cons of digital (no real ownership, rights, universal availability, subscription bs, etc) exist and metastesize to unpalatable levels, gotta weigh in the options. Manga, for starters, have digital, but people at least in Japan still buy them in good old paper. Boxed video games remain the standard there too. Maybe on your side of the pond it's streaming city, but to say the whole world is a bit presumptuous.
BilboBaggins365 said:
Yeah it's not anime though. If all we have left is v-tubers that means anime is dead. At the very least I will stop caring.
Yeah it's not anime though. If all we have left is v-tubers that means anime is dead. At the very least I will stop caring.
I mean, the top level pros even have their own OP and ED which are basic anime structures so yeah... We'll be getting into the gritty and messy world of semantics here.
Ahegyao said: Hmm....last time I checked I like my old school retro mecha anime lol. Was that supposed to be some sort of diss? Maybe for stuff that you care about. Super retro junkies will still keep their physicals (and maybe back them up in HDD/SSD). The spectre of rights is a real threat. You think titles will ephemerally be in the usual platforms? Music labels beg to differ. Secondly no one said anything about the threat of rights. I am well aware. We aren't talking about ideals or how you think people should consume etc. We are talking about reality. The reality is your average anime consumer is watching anime illegally or legally through some kind of online streaming service. Many don't even know how to torrent properly. They also aren't spending hundreds of dollars on physical media for some shows. Again, the physical market has halved, digital and international are the primary vectors of growth. That is where the focus likely will be in the future because the physical market isn't growing, it's not even stagnant anymore, it's just declining, with small upshots and then continued declined. There will be a floor however, the % it makes up will become lesser as the industry continues to grow. Putting your eggs into one basket isn't exactly the best route for any industry. Again where did I say anyone is putting all the eggs in one basket? I never said such a thing. I just said physical media matters less and increasingly does, therefore works that depend more on physical media, will likely get less focus, not that they will be eliminated. I only made that comment because you argued digital media is somehow dying, and that physical is returning; however, no evidence shows that, it's the opposite. Ahegyao said: You can look at yourself. https://aja.gr.jp/english/japan-anime-dataYou maybe right with the data Ahegyao said: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/o1mq8w/in_japan_digital_manga_sales_have_surpassed/Manga, for starters, have digital, but people at least in Japan still buy them in good old paper. Digital surpassed physical 4 years ago, with manga. That is why WSJ is really pushing Jump + Don't know how accurate this article is however, it claims manga sales are now 70% digital. https://bernama.com/en/world/news.php?id=2396404#:~:text=It%20marked%20the%20fifth%20consecutive,Research%20Institute%20for%20Publications%20said. I did see an article that is saying that if you fail to sell physically, your manga is up for cancellation, so manga it still matters however, fact is digital media rose during CoVid and it's not slowing down. Japan is slower to adapt, in some areas doesn't mean they don't eventually adopt the norm. Physical media will of course always have its place, however, it's pretty much going to be where, it's now in Japan, only for collectors, not the casual enjoyer. Ahegyao said: Live streaming entertainment is not the same as an organized story. I don't even know why we are talking about V-Tubers.I mean, the top level pros even have their own OP and ED which are basic anime structures so yeah... We'll be getting into the gritty and messy world of semantics here. |
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Ahegyao said:
Maybe for stuff that you care about. Super retro junkies will still keep their physicals (and maybe back them up in HDD/SSD). The spectre of rights is a real threat. You think titles will ephemerally be in the usual platforms? Music labels beg to differ.
Hmm....last time I checked I like my old school retro mecha anime lol. Was that supposed to be some sort of diss? Maybe for stuff that you care about. Super retro junkies will still keep their physicals (and maybe back them up in HDD/SSD). The spectre of rights is a real threat. You think titles will ephemerally be in the usual platforms? Music labels beg to differ.
Secondly no one said anything about the threat of rights. I am well aware. We aren't talking about ideals or how you think people should consume etc. We are talking about reality. The reality is your average anime consumer is watching anime illegally or legally through some kind of online streaming service. Many don't even know how to torrent properly. They also aren't spending hundreds of dollars on physical media for some shows. Again, the physical market has halved, digital and international are the primary vectors of growth. That is where the focus likely will be in the future because the physical market isn't growing, it's not even stagnant anymore, it's just declining, with small upshots and then continued declined. There will be a floor however, the % it makes up will become lesser as the industry continues to grow.
Putting your eggs into one basket isn't exactly the best route for any industry.
Again where did I say anyone is putting all the eggs in one basket? I never said such a thing. I just said physical media matters less and increasingly does, therefore works that depend more on physical media, will likely get less focus, not that they will be eliminated. I only made that comment because you argued digital media is somehow dying, and that physical is returning; however, no evidence shows that, it's the opposite. Ahegyao said:
You maybe right with the data
You can look at yourself. https://aja.gr.jp/english/japan-anime-dataYou maybe right with the data
Ahegyao said:
Manga, for starters, have digital, but people at least in Japan still buy them in good old paper.
https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/o1mq8w/in_japan_digital_manga_sales_have_surpassed/Manga, for starters, have digital, but people at least in Japan still buy them in good old paper.
Digital surpassed physical 4 years ago, with manga. That is why WSJ is really pushing Jump +
Don't know how accurate this article is however, it claims manga sales are now 70% digital.
https://bernama.com/en/world/news.php?id=2396404#:~:text=It%20marked%20the%20fifth%20consecutive,Research%20Institute%20for%20Publications%20said.
I did see an article that is saying that if you fail to sell physically, your manga is up for cancellation, so manga it still matters however, fact is digital media rose during CoVid and it's not slowing down.
Japan is slower to adapt, in some areas doesn't mean they don't eventually adopt the norm. Physical media will of course always have its place, however, it's pretty much going to be where, it's now in Japan, only for collectors, not the casual enjoyer.
Ahegyao said:
I mean, the top level pros even have their own OP and ED which are basic anime structures so yeah... We'll be getting into the gritty and messy world of semantics here.
Live streaming entertainment is not the same as an organized story. I don't even know why we are talking about V-Tubers.I mean, the top level pros even have their own OP and ED which are basic anime structures so yeah... We'll be getting into the gritty and messy world of semantics here.
BilboBaggins365 said: Hmm....last time I checked I like my old school retro mecha anime lol. Was that supposed to be some sort of diss? Secondly no one said anything about the threat of rights. I am well aware. We aren't talking about ideals or how you think people should consume etc. We are talking about reality. The reality is your average anime consumer is watching anime illegally or legally through some kind of online streaming service. Many don't even know how to torrent properly. They also aren't spending hundreds of dollars on physical media for some shows. Again, the physical market has halved, digital and international are the primary vectors of growth. That is where the focus likely will be in the future because the physical market isn't growing, it's not even stagnant anymore, it's just declining, with small upshots and then continued declined. There will be a floor however, the % it makes up will become lesser as the industry continues to grow. No, but I'd be naive to think that they'll "eventually" be trickling in the usual streaming platforms. Wake me up when California Crisis is on Amazon Prime or Netflix. The reason why I keep being skeptic about it is because streaming isn't the end all be all of media consumption. It's going up, but at some point it's going to go down right? BilboBaggins365 said: Again where did I say anyone is putting all the eggs in one basket? I never said such a thing. I just said physical media matters less and increasingly does, therefore works that depend more on physical media, will likely get less focus, not that they will be eliminated. I only made that comment because you argued digital media is somehow dying, and that physical is returning; however, no evidence shows that, it's the opposite. I didn't say it was dying. I just said that it's at a point where it's UNSUSTAINABLE with the current practices and controversies. BilboBaggins365 said: https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/o1mq8w/in_japan_digital_manga_sales_have_surpassed/ Digital surpassed physical 4 years ago, with manga. That is why WSJ is really pushing Jump + Don't know how accurate this article is however, it claims manga sales are now 70% digital. https://bernama.com/en/world/news.php?id=2396404#:~:text=It%20marked%20the%20fifth%20consecutive,Research%20Institute%20for%20Publications%20said. I did see an article that is saying that if you fail to sell physically, your manga is up for cancellation, so manga it still matters however, fact is digital media rose during CoVid and it's not slowing down. Yeah, I don't trust a non Japanese source for the manga claim. BilboBaggins365 said: Live streaming entertainment is not the same as an organized story. I don't even know why we are talking about V-Tubers. Because the point is attention spans are shortening which is going to seriously affect anime's appeal to newer generations. @SgtBateMan More lies. Thought so. |
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BilboBaggins365 said:
Hmm....last time I checked I like my old school retro mecha anime lol. Was that supposed to be some sort of diss?
Secondly no one said anything about the threat of rights. I am well aware. We aren't talking about ideals or how you think people should consume etc. We are talking about reality. The reality is your average anime consumer is watching anime illegally or legally through some kind of online streaming service. Many don't even know how to torrent properly. They also aren't spending hundreds of dollars on physical media for some shows. Again, the physical market has halved, digital and international are the primary vectors of growth. That is where the focus likely will be in the future because the physical market isn't growing, it's not even stagnant anymore, it's just declining, with small upshots and then continued declined. There will be a floor however, the % it makes up will become lesser as the industry continues to grow.
Hmm....last time I checked I like my old school retro mecha anime lol. Was that supposed to be some sort of diss?
Secondly no one said anything about the threat of rights. I am well aware. We aren't talking about ideals or how you think people should consume etc. We are talking about reality. The reality is your average anime consumer is watching anime illegally or legally through some kind of online streaming service. Many don't even know how to torrent properly. They also aren't spending hundreds of dollars on physical media for some shows. Again, the physical market has halved, digital and international are the primary vectors of growth. That is where the focus likely will be in the future because the physical market isn't growing, it's not even stagnant anymore, it's just declining, with small upshots and then continued declined. There will be a floor however, the % it makes up will become lesser as the industry continues to grow.
No, but I'd be naive to think that they'll "eventually" be trickling in the usual streaming platforms. Wake me up when California Crisis is on Amazon Prime or Netflix.
The reason why I keep being skeptic about it is because streaming isn't the end all be all of media consumption. It's going up, but at some point it's going to go down right?
BilboBaggins365 said:
Again where did I say anyone is putting all the eggs in one basket? I never said such a thing. I just said physical media matters less and increasingly does, therefore works that depend more on physical media, will likely get less focus, not that they will be eliminated. I only made that comment because you argued digital media is somehow dying, and that physical is returning; however, no evidence shows that, it's the opposite.
Again where did I say anyone is putting all the eggs in one basket? I never said such a thing. I just said physical media matters less and increasingly does, therefore works that depend more on physical media, will likely get less focus, not that they will be eliminated. I only made that comment because you argued digital media is somehow dying, and that physical is returning; however, no evidence shows that, it's the opposite.
I didn't say it was dying. I just said that it's at a point where it's UNSUSTAINABLE with the current practices and controversies.
BilboBaggins365 said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/o1mq8w/in_japan_digital_manga_sales_have_surpassed/
Digital surpassed physical 4 years ago, with manga. That is why WSJ is really pushing Jump +
Don't know how accurate this article is however, it claims manga sales are now 70% digital.
https://bernama.com/en/world/news.php?id=2396404#:~:text=It%20marked%20the%20fifth%20consecutive,Research%20Institute%20for%20Publications%20said.
I did see an article that is saying that if you fail to sell physically, your manga is up for cancellation, so manga it still matters however, fact is digital media rose during CoVid and it's not slowing down.
https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/o1mq8w/in_japan_digital_manga_sales_have_surpassed/
Digital surpassed physical 4 years ago, with manga. That is why WSJ is really pushing Jump +
Don't know how accurate this article is however, it claims manga sales are now 70% digital.
https://bernama.com/en/world/news.php?id=2396404#:~:text=It%20marked%20the%20fifth%20consecutive,Research%20Institute%20for%20Publications%20said.
I did see an article that is saying that if you fail to sell physically, your manga is up for cancellation, so manga it still matters however, fact is digital media rose during CoVid and it's not slowing down.
Yeah, I don't trust a non Japanese source for the manga claim.
BilboBaggins365 said:
Live streaming entertainment is not the same as an organized story. I don't even know why we are talking about V-Tubers.
Live streaming entertainment is not the same as an organized story. I don't even know why we are talking about V-Tubers.
Because the point is attention spans are shortening which is going to seriously affect anime's appeal to newer generations.
@SgtBateMan
More lies. Thought so.
Ahegyao said: I mean CR does have a lot of older OVAs like Cyber City Oedo, Midnight Eye Gokuu. Big name stuff that used to be impossible to find legally streaming wise, like Gunbuster is on there too now. Of course rights issues can be a problem. Again I am not denying that (Armored Trooper Votoms got pulled from HiDive annoyingly enough, as I wanted to finish off the last side stories I hadn't finished yet), they just have gotten better. No, but I'd be naive to think that they'll "eventually" be trickling in the usual streaming platforms. Wake me up when California Crisis is on Amazon Prime or Netflix. I am not singing praises and downplaying the problems with relying on streaming. Still availability is already an issue with physical media too, so that is why torrents are important. When things go out of print, what other option do you have? The reason why I keep being skeptic about it is because streaming isn't the end all be all of media consumption. It's going up, but at some point it's going to go down right? Well I never said it was. The isn't a debate on it being the end all be all. I made a comment to refute the idea physical media is going to beat back the streaming hordes. It's not, and that is reflective in the numbers. Streaming is likely going to be the main method of delivery, in the future, for anime. I don't have a bone to pick with physical, I mean I prefer reading manga physically not digitally. Yeah, I don't trust a non Japanese source for the manga claim. Fine however, the AJA data is Japanese sourced. So you at least have to agree with me there lol. Edit: The first source, from reddit, you quoted, is also Japanese sourced. How much digital is outselling physical we may not know, however, it did start to beat out physical during Covid. Because the point is attention spans are shortening which is going to seriously affect anime's appeal to newer generations. Younger fans still like anime, you see them posting all the time, and if the next generation is totally fucked there, welp I guess we had a good run. |
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BilboBaggins365 said:
Hmm....last time I checked I like my old school retro mecha anime lol. Was that supposed to be some sort of diss?
Secondly no one said anything about the threat of rights. I am well aware. We aren't talking about ideals or how you think people should consume etc. We are talking about reality. The reality is your average anime consumer is watching anime illegally or legally through some kind of online streaming service. Many don't even know how to torrent properly. They also aren't spending hundreds of dollars on physical media for some shows. Again, the physical market has halved, digital and international are the primary vectors of growth. That is where the focus likely will be in the future because the physical market isn't growing, it's not even stagnant anymore, it's just declining, with small upshots and then continued declined. There will be a floor however, the % it makes up will become lesser as the industry continues to grow.
Hmm....last time I checked I like my old school retro mecha anime lol. Was that supposed to be some sort of diss?
Secondly no one said anything about the threat of rights. I am well aware. We aren't talking about ideals or how you think people should consume etc. We are talking about reality. The reality is your average anime consumer is watching anime illegally or legally through some kind of online streaming service. Many don't even know how to torrent properly. They also aren't spending hundreds of dollars on physical media for some shows. Again, the physical market has halved, digital and international are the primary vectors of growth. That is where the focus likely will be in the future because the physical market isn't growing, it's not even stagnant anymore, it's just declining, with small upshots and then continued declined. There will be a floor however, the % it makes up will become lesser as the industry continues to grow.
No, but I'd be naive to think that they'll "eventually" be trickling in the usual streaming platforms. Wake me up when California Crisis is on Amazon Prime or Netflix.
The reason why I keep being skeptic about it is because streaming isn't the end all be all of media consumption. It's going up, but at some point it's going to go down right?
BilboBaggins365 said:
Again where did I say anyone is putting all the eggs in one basket? I never said such a thing. I just said physical media matters less and increasingly does, therefore works that depend more on physical media, will likely get less focus, not that they will be eliminated. I only made that comment because you argued digital media is somehow dying, and that physical is returning; however, no evidence shows that, it's the opposite.
Again where did I say anyone is putting all the eggs in one basket? I never said such a thing. I just said physical media matters less and increasingly does, therefore works that depend more on physical media, will likely get less focus, not that they will be eliminated. I only made that comment because you argued digital media is somehow dying, and that physical is returning; however, no evidence shows that, it's the opposite.
I didn't say it was dying. I just said that it's at a point where it's UNSUSTAINABLE with the current practices and controversies.
BilboBaggins365 said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/o1mq8w/in_japan_digital_manga_sales_have_surpassed/
Digital surpassed physical 4 years ago, with manga. That is why WSJ is really pushing Jump +
Don't know how accurate this article is however, it claims manga sales are now 70% digital.
https://bernama.com/en/world/news.php?id=2396404#:~:text=It%20marked%20the%20fifth%20consecutive,Research%20Institute%20for%20Publications%20said.
I did see an article that is saying that if you fail to sell physically, your manga is up for cancellation, so manga it still matters however, fact is digital media rose during CoVid and it's not slowing down.
https://www.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/o1mq8w/in_japan_digital_manga_sales_have_surpassed/
Digital surpassed physical 4 years ago, with manga. That is why WSJ is really pushing Jump +
Don't know how accurate this article is however, it claims manga sales are now 70% digital.
https://bernama.com/en/world/news.php?id=2396404#:~:text=It%20marked%20the%20fifth%20consecutive,Research%20Institute%20for%20Publications%20said.
I did see an article that is saying that if you fail to sell physically, your manga is up for cancellation, so manga it still matters however, fact is digital media rose during CoVid and it's not slowing down.
Yeah, I don't trust a non Japanese source for the manga claim.
BilboBaggins365 said:
Live streaming entertainment is not the same as an organized story. I don't even know why we are talking about V-Tubers.
Live streaming entertainment is not the same as an organized story. I don't even know why we are talking about V-Tubers.
Because the point is attention spans are shortening which is going to seriously affect anime's appeal to newer generations.
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More lies. Thought so.
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Ahegyao said:
No, but I'd be naive to think that they'll "eventually" be trickling in the usual streaming platforms. Wake me up when California Crisis is on Amazon Prime or Netflix.
I mean CR does have a lot of older OVAs like Cyber City Oedo, Midnight Eye Gokuu. Big name stuff that used to be impossible to find legally streaming wise, like Gunbuster is on there too now. Of course rights issues can be a problem. Again I am not denying that (Armored Trooper Votoms got pulled from HiDive annoyingly enough, as I wanted to finish off the last side stories I hadn't finished yet), they just have gotten better. No, but I'd be naive to think that they'll "eventually" be trickling in the usual streaming platforms. Wake me up when California Crisis is on Amazon Prime or Netflix.
I am not singing praises and downplaying the problems with relying on streaming. Still availability is already an issue with physical media too, so that is why torrents are important. When things go out of print, what other option do you have?
The reason why I keep being skeptic about it is because streaming isn't the end all be all of media consumption. It's going up, but at some point it's going to go down right?
Well I never said it was. The isn't a debate on it being the end all be all. I made a comment to refute the idea physical media is going to beat back the streaming hordes. It's not, and that is reflective in the numbers. Streaming is likely going to be the main method of delivery, in the future, for anime. I don't have a bone to pick with physical, I mean I prefer reading manga physically not digitally.
Yeah, I don't trust a non Japanese source for the manga claim.
Fine however, the AJA data is Japanese sourced. So you at least have to agree with me there lol. Edit: The first source, from reddit, you quoted, is also Japanese sourced. How much digital is outselling physical we may not know, however, it did start to beat out physical during Covid.
Because the point is attention spans are shortening which is going to seriously affect anime's appeal to newer generations.
Younger fans still like anime, you see them posting all the time, and if the next generation is totally fucked there, welp I guess we had a good run. BilboBaggins365 said: I mean CR does have a lot of older OVAs like Cyber City Oedo, Midnight Eye Gokuu. Big name stuff that used to be impossible to find legally streaming wise, like Gunbuster is on there too now. Of course rights issues can be a problem. Again I am not denying that (Armored Trooper Votoms got pulled from HiDive annoyingly enough, as I wanted to finish off the last side stories I hadn't finished yet), they just have gotten better. I am not singing praises and downplaying the problems with relying on streaming. Still availability is already an issue with physical media too, so that is why torrents are important. When things go out of print, what other option do you have? Ironically enough, torrenting remains the king. It's the best of both worlds. You have a mass library, yet don't live in fear of licensing hell. The only real downsides are bonuses that come with physical (OVAs) that may or may not get ripped for years. BilboBaggins365 said: Well I never said it was. The isn't a debate on it being the end all be all. I made a comment to refute the idea physical media is going to beat back the streaming hordes. It's not, and that is reflective in the numbers. Streaming is likely going to be the main method of delivery, in the future, for anime. I don't have a bone to pick with physical, I mean I prefer reading manga physically not digitally. Then I ask, what's next after streaming runs its course? Do we loop back to physical or start going full GiTS cyberpunk in media consumption? BilboBaggins365 said: Younger fans still like anime, you see them posting all the time, and if the next generation is totally fucked there, welp I guess we had a good run. Someone in this thread mentioned that if it's not meme-fueled, it's not going to go far which I'm inclined to agree. Thought so. More lies from the resident shattered egoist. |
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Will you 2 just fuck each other already.
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Will you 2 just fuck each other already.
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BilboBaggins365 said:
I mean CR does have a lot of older OVAs like Cyber City Oedo, Midnight Eye Gokuu. Big name stuff that used to be impossible to find legally streaming wise, like Gunbuster is on there too now. Of course rights issues can be a problem. Again I am not denying that (Armored Trooper Votoms got pulled from HiDive annoyingly enough, as I wanted to finish off the last side stories I hadn't finished yet), they just have gotten better.
I am not singing praises and downplaying the problems with relying on streaming. Still availability is already an issue with physical media too, so that is why torrents are important. When things go out of print, what other option do you have?
I mean CR does have a lot of older OVAs like Cyber City Oedo, Midnight Eye Gokuu. Big name stuff that used to be impossible to find legally streaming wise, like Gunbuster is on there too now. Of course rights issues can be a problem. Again I am not denying that (Armored Trooper Votoms got pulled from HiDive annoyingly enough, as I wanted to finish off the last side stories I hadn't finished yet), they just have gotten better.
I am not singing praises and downplaying the problems with relying on streaming. Still availability is already an issue with physical media too, so that is why torrents are important. When things go out of print, what other option do you have?
Ironically enough, torrenting remains the king. It's the best of both worlds. You have a mass library, yet don't live in fear of licensing hell. The only real downsides are bonuses that come with physical (OVAs) that may or may not get ripped for years.
BilboBaggins365 said:
Well I never said it was. The isn't a debate on it being the end all be all. I made a comment to refute the idea physical media is going to beat back the streaming hordes. It's not, and that is reflective in the numbers. Streaming is likely going to be the main method of delivery, in the future, for anime.
I don't have a bone to pick with physical, I mean I prefer reading manga physically not digitally.
Well I never said it was. The isn't a debate on it being the end all be all. I made a comment to refute the idea physical media is going to beat back the streaming hordes. It's not, and that is reflective in the numbers. Streaming is likely going to be the main method of delivery, in the future, for anime.
I don't have a bone to pick with physical, I mean I prefer reading manga physically not digitally.
Then I ask, what's next after streaming runs its course? Do we loop back to physical or start going full GiTS cyberpunk in media consumption?
BilboBaggins365 said:
Younger fans still like anime, you see them posting all the time, and if the next generation is totally fucked there, welp I guess we had a good run.
Younger fans still like anime, you see them posting all the time, and if the next generation is totally fucked there, welp I guess we had a good run.
Someone in this thread mentioned that if it's not meme-fueled, it's not going to go far which I'm inclined to agree.
Thought so. More lies from the resident shattered egoist.
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| @SgtBateMan Thought so. More lies from the resident shattered egoist who lets an "answering machine" live rent free in his head. |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
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SgtBateManMar 9, 8:50 AM
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I have nothing to repay you constantly keeping me within your thoughts, even though I didn't ask. Nice day.
| @SgtBateMan Your actions say otherwise. Keep seething and stewing. |
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BilboBaggins365 said:
I mean CR does have a lot of older OVAs like Cyber City Oedo, Midnight Eye Gokuu. Big name stuff that used to be impossible to find legally streaming wise, like Gunbuster is on there too now. Of course rights issues can be a problem. Again I am not denying that (Armored Trooper Votoms got pulled from HiDive annoyingly enough, as I wanted to finish off the last side stories I hadn't finished yet), they just have gotten better.
I am not singing praises and downplaying the problems with relying on streaming. Still availability is already an issue with physical media too, so that is why torrents are important. When things go out of print, what other option do you have?
I mean CR does have a lot of older OVAs like Cyber City Oedo, Midnight Eye Gokuu. Big name stuff that used to be impossible to find legally streaming wise, like Gunbuster is on there too now. Of course rights issues can be a problem. Again I am not denying that (Armored Trooper Votoms got pulled from HiDive annoyingly enough, as I wanted to finish off the last side stories I hadn't finished yet), they just have gotten better.
I am not singing praises and downplaying the problems with relying on streaming. Still availability is already an issue with physical media too, so that is why torrents are important. When things go out of print, what other option do you have?
Ironically enough, torrenting remains the king. It's the best of both worlds. You have a mass library, yet don't live in fear of licensing hell. The only real downsides are bonuses that come with physical (OVAs) that may or may not get ripped for years.
BilboBaggins365 said:
Well I never said it was. The isn't a debate on it being the end all be all. I made a comment to refute the idea physical media is going to beat back the streaming hordes. It's not, and that is reflective in the numbers. Streaming is likely going to be the main method of delivery, in the future, for anime.
I don't have a bone to pick with physical, I mean I prefer reading manga physically not digitally.
Well I never said it was. The isn't a debate on it being the end all be all. I made a comment to refute the idea physical media is going to beat back the streaming hordes. It's not, and that is reflective in the numbers. Streaming is likely going to be the main method of delivery, in the future, for anime.
I don't have a bone to pick with physical, I mean I prefer reading manga physically not digitally.
Then I ask, what's next after streaming runs its course? Do we loop back to physical or start going full GiTS cyberpunk in media consumption?
BilboBaggins365 said:
Younger fans still like anime, you see them posting all the time, and if the next generation is totally fucked there, welp I guess we had a good run.
Younger fans still like anime, you see them posting all the time, and if the next generation is totally fucked there, welp I guess we had a good run.
Someone in this thread mentioned that if it's not meme-fueled, it's not going to go far which I'm inclined to agree.
Thought so. More lies from the resident shattered egoist.
Ahegyao said: Streaming is not going to run it's course unless something even better comes to replace it. The only way physical replaces streaming is if physical records of shows become incredibly cheap. That is the draw of streaming, relative to buying all those shows on BD, or doing something illegal (torrenting/illegally streaming) it is vastly cheaper. For anime, this is compounded even more because the costs of a lot of BDs are frankly insanely high. I get why....doesn't change the fact I would have a much bigger BD collection if it wasn't for those prices. Those prices are even worse in Japan considering their incomes, and how expensive they are. Then I ask, what's next after streaming runs its course? Do we loop back to physical or start going full GiTS cyberpunk in media consumption? I don't buy physical shows, unless I know I like the series, and just want to support the work, and it's affordable. That means, I am engaging with legal streaming (and occasionally torrenting) before ever considering a physical release. That is almost becoming true with manga too, because prices are surging for print volumes. Frankly due to inflation, I could see streaming becoming even more successful. |
BilboBaggins365Mar 9, 11:21 AM
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Ahegyao said:
Then I ask, what's next after streaming runs its course? Do we loop back to physical or start going full GiTS cyberpunk in media consumption?
Streaming is not going to run it's course unless something even better comes to replace it. The only way physical replaces streaming is if physical records of shows become incredibly cheap. That is the draw of streaming, relative to buying all those shows on BD, or doing something illegal (torrenting/illegally streaming) it is vastly cheaper. For anime, this is compounded even more because the costs of a lot of BDs are frankly insanely high. I get why....doesn't change the fact I would have a much bigger BD collection if it wasn't for those prices. Those prices are even worse in Japan considering their incomes, and how expensive they are. Then I ask, what's next after streaming runs its course? Do we loop back to physical or start going full GiTS cyberpunk in media consumption?
I don't buy physical shows, unless I know I like the series, and just want to support the work, and it's affordable. That means, I am engaging with legal streaming (and occasionally torrenting) before ever considering a physical release. That is almost becoming true with manga too, because prices are surging for print volumes.
Frankly due to inflation, I could see streaming becoming even more successful.
| @BilboBaggins365 Or it turns too anti-consumer. I'm not looking forward to the point that companies will just exclusively stream their content and have it only available for a decade or two. I still value ownership. |
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@SgtBateMan
Your actions say otherwise. Keep seething and stewing.
Your actions say otherwise. Keep seething and stewing.
| @Ahegyao wow, apparently I'm not the one who goes online day in and day out just to wait for opportunities to respond to posts. That attention seeking patterns seriously need intervention. Have a nice day. |
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@Ahegyao wow, apparently I'm not the one who goes online day in and day out just to wait for opportunities to respond to posts. That attention seeking
patterns seriously need intervention.
Have a nice day.
patterns seriously need intervention.
Have a nice day.
| @SgtBateMan And YET here he is bumping the thread. The audacity of lies and pies. |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
| Anime is mostly low-quality stuff, so it does not matter if it does crash. I think anime is one of the worst things to ever exist. |
| I think it may be different this time just based on how it came about compared to previous times. But I think the difference is that unlike the new mainstream fans joining the deeper community, the two groups will just stay separate forever. The way that covid fans talk about anime fandom and the people who have been here forever is too negative for them to want anything to do with it. |
| I hope it crashes. It is totally unsustainable and scammy. Then again, everything under capitalism is a scam, so why does it matter if anime is a scam??? One extra scam on top of a plethora of other scams, makes no real big difference, obviously. |
| What is this, the stock market? Pretty sure that anime has progressively become more popular with each passing decade. |
The Matrix has you... |
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| this is the hard way bro seeks validation for his existence. Understandable. |
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this is the hard way bro seeks validation for his existence. Understandable.
| @SgtBateMan Thanks for bumping the thread with your ego. You've become one with it despite the lies. |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
| Hopefully soon. I don't want to see anymore mcdonald's manga references. |
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@SgtBateMan
Thanks for bumping the thread with your ego. You've become one with it despite the lies.
Thanks for bumping the thread with your ego. You've become one with it despite the lies.
| Nice reply, answering machine wannabe. a few more pushes and you will free yourself from suffering from your severely OCD-impaired brain and become the chat bot of your dream. All the best for that to happen. |
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Nice reply, answering machine wannabe. a few more pushes and you will free yourself from suffering from your severely OCD-impaired brain and become the chat bot of your dream. All the best for that to happen.
| @SgtBateMan This chronic liar took several days off to come up with this choice reply. What a joke, just like your ego. |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
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